Editor’s note: I originally wrote this article during the first years of the R35 GT R, when failed transmissions, launch control, denied warranty claims, and complete transaxle replacement prices dominated the conversation. At the time, everyone was trying to understand a new and extremely complex transmission with very little real world history.
We know much more now. Nissan changed the transmission programming. Independent shops learned how to open, diagnose, repair, and upgrade the GR6. Replacement clutches, gears, bearings, seals, filters, sensors, hydraulic parts, and upgraded internal components became available. Most important, we learned that “the GT R transmission failed” can describe several very different problems.
The original article focused heavily on wheel hop. Wheel hop and repeated shock loading can absolutely damage driveline parts, but they are not the explanation for every GR6 failure. The correct repair starts by identifying the actual symptom and failure mode.
What Nissan Changed After the Early Launch Control Problems
The early 2009 GT R calibration allowed an aggressive launch with Vehicle Dynamic Control turned off. That combination produced spectacular acceleration, but it could also apply a severe shock load to the clutch, gears, shafts, transfer system, axles, tires, and mounts.
Nissan responded with a Transmission Control Module reprogramming campaign for 2009 cars. The revised programming brought the cars closer to the 2010 specification and improved acceleration with VDC on. Nissan’s original bulletin, NTB09-002, is now listed as inactive, but it documents the factory response to the early problem.
Later GT R calibrations continued to refine launch behavior, clutch engagement, shift strategy, and drivability. That matters when evaluating an early car today. Before assuming that a hard or strange launch is a mechanical failure, verify the TCM software, any aftermarket programming, clutch settings, and learned values.
The GR6 Is Serviceable
One of my original recommendations was to make the transmission, clutch, transfer system, and rear differential serviceable. That is now normal in the GT R aftermarket.
A GR6 no longer has to be treated as a sealed $20,000 mystery box. A qualified specialist can disassemble it, inspect the debris, measure wear and clearances, identify the damaged circuit or component, and rebuild it for the car’s actual use. Nissan also lists individual transmission and driveline service parts through its official parts network, although factory repair procedures and parts availability vary by model year and component.
That does not make every repair inexpensive. Removing the rear transaxle, cleaning contamination from the system, replacing damaged hard parts, and correctly setting up the clutches and hydraulic controls still requires specialized knowledge. The important change is that complete assembly replacement is no longer the only realistic answer.
What Actually Goes Wrong in a GR6?
There is no single universal GR6 failure. Common complaints generally fall into one or more of these groups:
- Launch and driveline shock: Wheel hop, a poorly prepared surface, mismatched tires, excessive launch RPM, added engine torque, or aggressive clutch engagement can create damaging torque reversals.
- Clutch wear or incorrect clutch setup: Worn clutches may slip or overheat. Incorrect touch points, capacities, or learned values can create harsh engagement, excessive slip, or poor low speed behavior.
- Gear engagement and selector problems: A car that will not select a gear, drops a gear, or sets position related faults may have a mechanical selector, fork, synchro, gear, or control problem. The fault codes and operating data matter.
- Hydraulic and electronic control faults: Pressure sensors, solenoids, seals, wiring, control hardware, and contaminated fluid can affect clutch pressure and gear selection.
- Fluid temperature and contamination: Repeated launches, road course use, high power, and insufficient cooling can overheat the fluid. Material from a damaged clutch, bearing, or gear circulates through a shared system and can turn one failure into a larger repair.
- Bearings and mechanical noise: Not every rattle is an internal gear failure. Nissan issued a separate bulletin for a flywheel housing rattle on 2009 through 2012 cars, showing why the noise must be located before the transmission is condemned. See NTB10-075.
- Modified car calibration mismatch: More engine torque without matching clutch capacity, pressure control, cooling, and TCM calibration can shorten the life of an otherwise healthy transmission.
A useful diagnosis needs the model year, mileage, power level, transmission modifications, software version, fluid history, tire setup, fault codes, temperature history, and the exact conditions under which the symptom occurs.
Do Not Try to Fix a GR6 With Random Gear Oil
My original article discussed whether a thicker fluid might cushion shock loads. After years of GR6 experience, I would not recommend treating fluid viscosity as a universal repair.
The GR6 uses its fluid for several jobs, including lubrication, cooling, and hydraulic clutch and shift control. Fluid affects pressure response, clutch behavior, pump load, temperature, and lubrication. A product that appears to help one mechanical symptom can create a control or clutch problem somewhere else.
Use the correct Nissan specified fluid for a stock application, or the specific fluid required by the transmission builder for a modified application. Do not pour Red Line ShockProof Heavy or another conventional thick gear oil into a GR6 as an experiment. Fluid should match the clearances, clutch material, power level, temperature range, and intended use of the transmission.
The original idea of separating clutch fluid from gear lubrication is also not a simple external modification. The GR6 was designed as an integrated system. Changing its internal fluid circuits would require a properly engineered transmission redesign, not a different hose or oil choice.
A Better GR6 Diagnostic and Repair Process
- Stop repeated testing when a new symptom appears. Every additional launch or forced shift can spread more material through the unit.
- Scan every relevant control module. Record current, pending, and history codes before clearing anything.
- Verify software and calibration. Check the ECM and TCM versions, aftermarket programming, launch settings, clutch capacities, and learned values.
- Review operating data. Look at clutch slip, pressures, commanded and actual gear position, temperatures, and the conditions that trigger the fault.
- Inspect the fluid, filters, magnets, and pan. The amount and type of debris can help separate normal wear from clutch, bearing, or hard part damage.
- Check the complete driveline. Tires, wheel hop, mounts, propeller shaft, axles, hubs, transfer system, and differential can create symptoms or loads that appear to be transmission related.
- Match the repair to the failure. A sensor or hydraulic fault should not automatically become a complete gearbox replacement. A contaminated unit with damaged hard parts should not receive only a fluid change.
- Perform the required setup after repair. Clutch and gear learning, calibration, fluid level, temperature procedure, and road testing must follow the correct service process for that model year and hardware.
Nissan’s current service manuals remain available through Nissan TechInfo. The procedures are written for trained technicians with the correct equipment. A GR6 specialist should understand both the mechanical transmission and its electronic controls.
How to Protect a Stock or Modified GT R Transmission
- Keep all four tires closely matched in brand, model, size, circumference, wear, and pressure.
- Do not repeatedly launch the car on a surface that produces wheel hop.
- Use launch settings appropriate for the tires, surface, power, clutch, and driveline.
- Warm the car correctly and monitor transmission temperature.
- Shorten the service interval when the car sees track use, repeated launches, high temperatures, or substantially more than stock torque.
- Use the fluid and filter package specified by Nissan or by the builder responsible for the transmission.
- Address a leak, new rattle, delayed engagement, shift flare, warning light, or abnormal debris early.
- When adding power, plan the transmission, clutch, cooling, tire, and calibration package together.
The GR6 is strong, but strength is not the same as immunity. A stock car on matched tires with current programming and proper maintenance has very different needs from a 1,000 horsepower drag car or a GT R running long road course sessions.
So, How Do You Fix the Nissan GT R Transmission?
You fix the actual fault, not the reputation.
For an early stock car, that may mean confirming updated Nissan programming, servicing the fluid and filters, correcting clutch learning, and replacing a failed sensor or mechanical component. For a worn or damaged unit, it may mean a complete teardown, cleaning, and rebuild. For a high power car, it may require upgraded clutches and hard parts, more cooling, and a calibration designed around the full combination.
The biggest change since the original article is that owners now have choices. The GR6 can be diagnosed. It can be serviced. It can be rebuilt. It can be upgraded. The early panic was understandable, but a complete transaxle should not be condemned until the car has been evaluated by someone who understands the mechanical, hydraulic, and electronic sides of the system.
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This article is general technical information, not a substitute for diagnosis of a specific vehicle. Transmission setup and repair should be performed by a qualified GT R technician using the correct service information and equipment.
18 comments:
i think some factory is designing some tougher gearbox and transmission, isnt that right?? maybe that's one of the ways as well??
One shop says they are having stronger gears made for it, but it requires a lot of research and development to design a properly functioning gearset.
Once you make one stronger part, you find the next weakest part.
i was thinking that wheel spin is good.? from talking to other members it seems like wheel hop occours and if you have stickier tires it will make the wheel hop worse and damage more. hence not a solution. THEN the other issue is - ceramic wheel bearings make the tires spin alot more but reduce wheel hop or eliminate it. it spins more but its faster in the long run. This theory of friction reduction is also shared with nissan, as tthey also used low friction bearings and other ways to reduce friction to dynos to 10% as they told everyone at the 360 event.
The problem isn't really just the spin, but the spin and grab, spin and grab. The car shouldn't wheel hop if it hooks up and stays loaded. Its when the wheels spin, and they get traction and load and unload the suspension that causes the hop.
You want less or more spin. I want less spin and more forward, not more spin and less forward.
The Cadillac CTS-V has the same problem with wheel hop. GM would not do anything about it. Third party companies have designed kits that replace bushings, lateral bars, etc to eliminate the hop. The same will probably be true with the GTR. But that is months in the future.
Sean you made a good point that if you beef up the weak link.....you will just start breaking the next weakest part. It's a never ending cycle.
I'm not a mechanical engineer so I can't comment on the guts of the trans. But in my opinion (which isn't worth much) I would think to make the masses happy you would beef up the weak links until the weakest one, was the easiest and hopefully cheapest to replace. If you could push the MTBF of that part out to....oh 40 launches or so it might be ok.
But one thing is for sure in motorsports, the faster you go, the more stress you create, the faster you break parts. Plain and simple. Don't like it, go buy a yugo.
In my opinion alike what others above have mentioned is that the problem is shock loading caused by wheel hop or axle tramping. This is a suspension issue as pressure will tend to follow the path of less resistance, in this case it is easier to compress against the suspension than it is to grab traction and push the car forward under high load.
I believe the engineers at Nissan or aftermarket engineers need to revise the issue and develop a suspension to counter act the problem. In addition to suspension improvements, I also believe that there should always be a weak point in the drive line that is inexpensive and easy to replace, just like a fuse in an electrical circuit. When specifying heavy rig trucks it is recommended that the clutch should be rated less than the transmission in order to protect it from damage. The clutch is a prime component for the roll as it is contained within a housing and at failure parts will not project from the vehicle
endangering other motorist.
From what i can gather the twin clutch arrangement in the GTR is a very expensive and complex component. Only time and mass production/volume of these units will drive down prices.
However a revised suspension system would be a step in the right direction.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in love with the new GTR and every vehicle has its faults however I hope the future brings promising solutions for this awesome piece of machinery.
My two cents ;)
Hi All,
Turning the VDC to OFF on a Nissan does not totally turn it off - apparently they think no one can drive a car without some form of electronic "big brother" influence. The "wheel hop" everyone is talking about is more likely the rear brakes grabbing to control excessive wheel spin - this will overload the gearbox in the same way as wheel hop. If you need proof re turning the VDC OFF then try lighting up the rear tyres of a 350Z in the wet. Once they are spinning wildly the rear brakes start to grab on/off/on/off violently and to keep the wheels spinning, but stop the brakes grabbing, you have to back out of the accelerator pedal - sort of plays with your mind a bit, but it's fun...
Jaydus is right on the money - any power delivery system should have a pre-planned weak-link that is easy and inexpensive to replace. So the Clutches, Transmission, and Xfer case are all one piece and mighty expensive - where else down the line can we put a fuse?
A simple place to put the fuse would be in the strength of the CV joints at each tire. Or build a torque limit point into the factory half-shafts. People who change these out for stronger aftermarket versions could be denied factory warranty coverage of the transmission.
Or, if a more technically elegant model is required, build a critical (but replaceable) piece of the transfer case out of a temperature sensitive metal. If temps got too high and too much torque feedback is generated, the sacrificial part would fail without grenading the whole transmission.
OR, it might simply be a matter of finding the right limited slip fluid for the rear diff. Since tied to the transmission, the rear diff should heat up at a rate similar to the transmission. If an ideal fluid can be found to lose its limited slip characteristics above a specific temp, it could cause a non-catastrophic kind of failure. As temps rose and the transmission system was threatened, the drivetrain would act like an open diff system, allowing one tire to spin and take the load off the system when temps and torque get too high.
I just can't believe such a well developed expensive super car from Nissan has such an obvious problem. Didn't they test and test and test the GT-R before releasing it?
It's such a simple test for the LC: Go to the drag strip and launch the GT-R until something breaks! And then figure out why.
My guess as to why Nissan didn't do this thoroughly is that drag racing is never huge in Japan?
Hey Everyone,
My thoughts are if it's worth all these "comments"......we should all consolidate our thoughts and feelings and also any other "ideas" and send them Nissan's CEO......He's the one that said that it's a super-car and has got all the "trimmings" in-built.
I'm already regretting having bought the GTR.....I've gotta to worry more about things breaking in the car than enjoying it now....!!!
Seriously, I think Nissan should take ownership and replace the tranmission ( maybe limited replacements )and not make a "mockery" of having all the "talk" and no "walk"
Seriously Dissapointed Nissan GTR Owner.
Hello,
I've got a new GTR with the Double Clutch Transmission, and I think its a great car. At the moment I want to have look on the electronic transmission control unit, but Its not inside the transmission itself, so can somebody help me and tell me where it is? Maybe under the seats, but I'm not sure. The tranmission itself is very interesting.
The TCM is behind the rear seats/in the trunk area.
Thanks a lot! Is it easy to remove? So it is in the trunk area, right? I don't have to remove the rear seat, I have only to work in the trunk area? Tanks!
Very good! This was a good help! So is it easy to remove? Do I have to remove the rear seats? Or is it only in the trunk area, so that i only have to work in the trunk area! Thanks!
I would go from the trunk area.
The GT-R is a fantastic automobile! Owners that want to get the most out of them, especially when driving them hard, should consider upgrading 1st gear and the input shaft. I've added a few touches to my GT-R that allow me to use launch control with no issues. I've added a titanium exhaust system and upgraded the suspension. So far the best insurance option I've had against transmission breakage has been upgrading 1st gear and the input shaft. To bad Nissan didn't install these heavy duty parts from the factory. Here you can see photos of my transmission
http://atfspeed.com/atf-photo-gallery/view/37.html
I wrote an article about Nissan and their tricks up their sleeves. I've owned 2 280zx Z'S, and 3 300zx Z's. In my opinion these cars should be reviewed in front of Congress, because they all were a piece of _ _ _ _, fill in the blank. If you want a nice put together car, get you a BMW or a BENZ.
It took you 5 cars to decide that Nissan was tricky ? Ever own any other cars ? I am a car dealer, every car has its issues. Every brand has its issues. Cars don't last forever, and they require maintenance to last.
So wheres this paper you wrote ? Send a link.
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